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RE: loud pipes save lives article

motormule — Sun, 28 May 2006 14:55:25 GMT

What defines " loud pipes " ? It is fairly obvious that this is a very subjective issue , perhaps it is somewhat relative to the "what you ride vs. what I ride " catagorization that used to pollute this forum .

When I'm in the cage , a louder motorcycle gets my attention on an auditory level quicker than a quieter bike . Are some bikes too loud ? IMO , yes . Unbaffled shotgun pipes annoy me , and I'm certain that my mellow Screamin' Eagle pipes irritate some.......

RE: loud pipes save lives article

hallowedcontactpatch — Tue, 25 Apr 2006 09:13:37 GMT

Yeah what you said hoopdc. I find wirewood's analysis of the forum website to be very ironic. I've been on the net now for about eight years and the MCN forums to me are the most informative and logically interactive that I have found to date. Wirewood's post looks like the typical post I would see on AOL or Yahoo! - "arrogant, rude, annoying." I'm glad I've finally found a website where the majority of the users can debate a subject in an intelligent and respectful manner.

RE: loud pipes save lives article

hoopdc — Tue, 10 Jan 2006 12:16:00 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by wirewood

You know what? You people are rude. This is the most rediculous discussion I've seen. Who whould want to be part of this board? Who cares about loud pipes? The world is full of sound. Noice pollution? How about eye pollution! Like your face, which is why you have no life and live on discussion boards! You don't like loud pipes? I don't like crotch rockets with their little space aliens on them zipping dnagerously through traffic - I don't like rainy days and high dangerous winds - I don't like taxes. Grow up - the world doesn't exist to make the PC babies confortable. You're the type that whines and cries like a wuss when your girlfriend, if you have one, treats you mean. I hate whining complaining little play ants who are big men in discussion board fantasy life and whiny little babies in real life.

Hey I have a suggestion, you rude little arrogant mouthy idiot. LIVE AND LET LIVE. Get off your imaginary high horse, and you might find that people might even like you. Otherwise, you'll live your friendless insecure little life secretly judging the world and whining when your girlfriend is mad and thinking your little PC fantasy world is so superior when in reality you're a sniveling loser.

Arrogant, rude, annoying. That's you. I'll make sure next time I'm next to you at light I rev her up til your windows rattle, just to play you off.

Glad you enjoy the forum !!!!

RE: loud pipes save lives article

amphicarian — Thu, 29 Dec 2005 18:21:51 GMT

Like they say "the squeaky wheel gets the grease." If legislation on loud pipes is what you desire, go get yourself some loud pipes.

RE: loud pipes save lives article

Bwana — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 10:25:00 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by tdilover

That is a bunch if@#$% loud pipes do not save lives at all. I have been riding motorcycles for over 40 years and never used after market loud pipes. All that crap is from the not so smart harley crowed. yeah I do have a Harley, but I am the exception I guess. Riding skills save lives, I gurentee! Same thing whe so many not so smart people replace there stock air cleaner with the junk k and n filter. A stock paper air filter filters better than a k and n. It goes on and on. My two dollars worth. If you can't hear what i am saying go for a hearing test.....lol.

Well, it's been a while since this thread was born, but the argument will rage on.

Loud pipes save lives? Yes, no, maybe? Hardly supercedes having an alert brain in ya brain pan though. I doubt anyone can rationally oppose that sentiment.

However, OHG and Torque made some good points. Those points are becoming more and more obvious as the needs/rights of more and more conglomerates and less of the people's rights etc. blah blah blah.

Dirt bike forum in need of members (free)

RE: loud pipes save lives article

tdilover — Tue, 13 Dec 2005 17:40:35 GMT

That is a bunch if@#$% loud pipes do not save lives at all. I have been riding motorcycles for over 40 years and never used after market loud pipes. All that crap is from the not so smart harley crowed. yeah I do have a Harley, but I am the exception I guess. Riding skills save lives, I gurentee! Same thing whe so many not so smart people replace there stock air cleaner with the junk k and n filter. A stock paper air filter filters better than a k and n. It goes on and on. My two dollars worth. If you can't hear what i am saying go for a hearing test.....lol.

RE: loud pipes save lives article

mongoboy — Sun, 24 Apr 2005 20:37:00 GMT

Biker1816, Biker1817, (hey, perhaps somebody should chastise this man who is obviously using two posting names, yes?)

You make me laugh. You lob softball cracks at a deranged guy like Wirewood (all the while making sure to include some silly smug comment about yours truly) yet you yourself EMBRACE the very climate and moronic practitioners (SRG/JC and others) that not only allow abuses to motorcycling (via loud pipes) but encourage them. I think maybe you watched one too many John Wayne war movies as a child? That would certainly explain your love for excessive noise and waging war.

You know, I once respected you. Boy oh boy, was that ever misplaced. Oh well, I never said that I was perfect. Anyway, it's far better that you continue to pee on motorcycling in the name of freedom, self-expression, and Harley Davidson, and that you do this under the absurd banner of Americanism. What a fraud!

Mongo

RE: loud pipes save lives article

Cherrie — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 13:13:54 GMT

Another GREAT post by Bwana.

Thank you,
Cherrie

RE: loud pipes save lives article

Bwana — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:37:37 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by BigMike

Just finally getting around to browsing this forum a bit. Before I pass along my only actual thought, a bit a background: my MCN collection goes back to VOL 25, Number 1...that'd be issue Jan. 7, 1994. Fred R was the editor...pg 18 - Connie owners respond....pg 10- "How to get more Punch from your Boxer", etc.

My though...if I started my subscrption with the Jan 1994 article, I've read something like 136 issues of the mag. So, where does all this HD discussion come from?

Real twilight zone stuff. Not a HD hater...they just bore me to tears. Of course, my idea of the perfect publication; "All Sport Tourers All The Time" would instantly fail.

Another forum found lacking. Good by and good riddance!

It was just a bit of HD bashing and defending that lived well beyond the one or two threads and two or three days it should have. Hopefully, as people learn who to ignore it will die a quick death and disappear. Not that what I have to say will matter as you won't be 'round to read it...

RE: loud pipes save lives article

BigMike — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 11:14:33 GMT

Just finally getting around to browsing this forum a bit. Before I pass along my only actual thought, a bit a background: my MCN collection goes back to VOL 25, Number 1...that'd be issue Jan. 7, 1994. Fred R was the editor...pg 18 - Connie owners respond....pg 10- "How to get more Punch from your Boxer", etc.

My though...if I started my subscrption with the Jan 1994 article, I've read something like 136 issues of the mag. So, where does all this HD discussion come from?

Real twilight zone stuff. Not a HD hater...they just bore me to tears. Of course, my idea of the perfect publication; "All Sport Tourers All The Time" would instantly fail.

Another forum found lacking. Good by and good riddance!

RE: loud pipes save lives article

mongoboy — Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:12:53 GMT

Just remember 1816, he's defending YOUR brand... And by virtue of this shared link, you get to be glommed in with him!

HaHaHaHah!!! Better you than me soldier!

Mongo

RE: loud pipes save lives article

Cherrie — Sun, 20 Mar 2005 19:36:14 GMT

Gotta love ya Biker1816...

Cherrie

RE: loud pipes save lives article

Biker1816 — Sun, 20 Mar 2005 01:39:38 GMT

Sharp post, Torqueman! Mind if I help welcome Wirewood too? It's a late welcome, I know, but late is better than never!

quote:
Like your face, which is why you have no life and live on discussion boards!

This is a discussion board. Now go check out some plastic surgeons. While you're at it, see a neurosurgeon, he might be helpful in getting that brain you've been lacking.

quote:
I'll make sure next time I'm next to you at light I rev her up til your windows rattle, just to play you off.

I didn't think mopeds made that much noise. How's about if I see you I'll play along and pretend to get upset so your girlfriend/sister thinks you're "Da Man"!
I'll tell you what, I'll even turn off my Harley so it doesn't drown out the sound of your 50cc "chopper"!

quote:
Arrogant, rude, annoying. That's you.

Wow, you've managed to be arrogant, rude, and annoying all in one post! And you got hypocritical in there,too! It took Mongo at least three, I think.

P.S.
It's 'ridiculous', not 'rediculous'.
It's 'would' not 'whould'.
It's 'dangerously' not dnagerously
Normally, I don't point out spelling errors, but I'll bet you're thankful for the polite correction.

He who looks for a mule without a fault must go on foot.
-unknown

'04 FXSTI
'81 Suzuki GS450L (deadlined)

RE: loud pipes save lives article

torqueman — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:38:28 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by wirewood

Who whould want to be part of this board?

Apparently you whould. And welcome to the forum. Have you met Mongo yet?

Torqueman
Battle Creek, MI
Goldwing 03

RE: loud pipes save lives article

wirewood — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 07:41:12 GMT

You know what? You people are rude. This is the most rediculous discussion I've seen. Who whould want to be part of this board? Who cares about loud pipes? The world is full of sound. Noice pollution? How about eye pollution! Like your face, which is why you have no life and live on discussion boards! You don't like loud pipes? I don't like crotch rockets with their little space aliens on them zipping dnagerously through traffic - I don't like rainy days and high dangerous winds - I don't like taxes. Grow up - the world doesn't exist to make the PC babies confortable. You're the type that whines and cries like a wuss when your girlfriend, if you have one, treats you mean. I hate whining complaining little play ants who are big men in discussion board fantasy life and whiny little babies in real life.

Hey I have a suggestion, you rude little arrogant mouthy idiot. LIVE AND LET LIVE. Get off your imaginary high horse, and you might find that people might even like you. Otherwise, you'll live your friendless insecure little life secretly judging the world and whining when your girlfriend is mad and thinking your little PC fantasy world is so superior when in reality you're a sniveling loser.

Arrogant, rude, annoying. That's you. I'll make sure next time I'm next to you at light I rev her up til your windows rattle, just to play you off.

RE: loud pipes save lives article

Charon — Sat, 19 Feb 2005 19:00:42 GMT

Seems to me the Loud Pipes folks are happy about loud pipes only when they're on a Harley. Try one of the old Kawasaki 2-stroke triples with megaphones, and see how many like those. Or try the truck with the Jake brakes blatting down a hill through town. Or for really loud, an F16 on takeoff with the 'burners. Funny - when the loud isn't a Harley (or clone) they'll gripe about it.

There's never time to do the job right. There's always time to do it over.

RE: loud pipes save lives article

Gfurlo — Sat, 19 Feb 2005 12:40:11 GMT

Reather then asking load or quiet pipes for safty.
How about, what can I do to be safer, short of not riding.
#1 slow down
#2 keep your eye on the road.
#3 slow down
#4 no drinking or drugs and driveing
#5 slow down

Oh did I mention SLOW DOWN.

Gfurlo

RE: loud pipes save lives article

thelostshark — Fri, 18 Feb 2005 14:05:21 GMT

I agree that loud pipes are a way of getting attention. However, I will also say that once when driving my cage I heard loud pipes from a bike somewhere behind me. It took a good 10 seconds or so before I saw the bike, but I was well aware that a bike was in the vicinity. So, I'd say that loud pipes do make it safer to ride, but that's not most have them. tls

jib

RE: loud pipes save lives article

sidecar — Sat, 30 Oct 2004 06:33:31 GMT

quote:
a no smoking area in a restaurant is like a no p e e i n g area in a pool.
Torqueman
Goldwing 03

ROFLMAO

John

Isaac Newton is my co-pilot.

RE: loud pipes save lives article

OzarkHarleyGuy — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 21:34:42 GMT

Thank you Torque for helping me show others how to have a healthy exchange of ideas.

BigHarleyDude

RE: loud pipes save lives article

torqueman — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:25:40 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by OzarkHarleyGuy

I'm concerned about freedom and where we draw the line. I doubt too many of these freedoms will be lost in my lifetime at my age. But I doubt the writers of our Bill of Rights realized we'd be fighting for our right to keep and bear arms and the way state's try to pass laws to evade this right.

You accuse me of playing defense lawyer but lawyers are actively involved in eroding our rights. If you had any idea the legal lobby going on by insurance companies, I dare say you might temper some of your statements. So if you want to talk about "twisting" laws talk to those guys and don't bother with your accusations to your "friends." Your one statement, "Never mind common courtesy," pretty much speaks for itself, I won't dignify that with a response, I have too much courtesy.

BigHarleyDude, I agree with you 100% about the loss of rights in this country. What has happened in this country even since 9/11 is unbelievable. And the lawyers and politicians (don't forget most politicians are lawyers) have sold our freedom to the highest bidder. The people who don't believe in the slippery slope theory have never owned a gun. You are so right.

Where I differ with you is noise laws have been on the books for years (the MI law was made in the late 60s.) These are not loss of freedoms they are lack of enforcement for the laws all ready on the books.

The old saying your right to swing you fist stops where my nose begins ring trues with loud pipes. Another one is a no smoking area in a restaurant is like a no p e e i n g area in a pool.

But I get your slipery slope point. I even go further by believing if there is no victim there is no crime and should not be a law.

Torqueman
Goldwing 03

RE: loud pipes save lives article

OzarkHarleyGuy — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 07:27:10 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by hoopdc

I'll tell you why. Because loud pipes are thought to be among other things, a juvenile approach to getting attention AND, and this is BIG, those pipes AFFECT OTHERS in a negative way.
And P-L-E-E-Z-E don't play defense lawyer ( ala johnnie Cochran , Shapiro, the dearly departed Kunstler, etc. ) and use the very laws that are designed to protect and serve us ( all of us ) by twisting them and twisting them some more to make a point that only serves as a disservice to the majority. Never mind common courtesy.
YES, their 'rights' are as important as mine BUT, and this is also BIG, NOT when their 'rights' AFFECT OTHERS. Is this sinking in yet ??
And please don't use these crazy anologies to make it seem like you are more intelligent, more tolerant, more civilized, etc.
I don't care if a smoker wants to smoke himself to death. I really don't. That's their 'right'. But they cannot and should not have the 'right' to smoke indoors because............. it AFFECTS OTHERS. Sinking in yet ?? How do you like my analogy ?

Loud pipes in public ?? No. Because it AFFECTS OTHERS. ( hope you're getting this )
Turn your stereo ALL THE WAY UP in your home ?? Great !! In PUBLIC ? Of course not !! Know why ?? Because it AFFECTS OTHERS. Are you getting this yet ??
And just to be clear, I am not talking about pipes that make a nice rumble. We're talking these ridiculous pipes that pi** people off. No, I don't know EXACTLY where to draw the line, but you know what we're talking about in this thread.

You know I almost ignored your whole message but something inside me just made me want to respond so maybe you might realize a few manners. First I'll say right up front I agree with you. But I don't agree with your dis-agreeability. I'm concerned about freedom and where we draw the line. I doubt too many of these freedoms will be lost in my lifetime at my age. But I doubt the writers of our Bill of Rights realized we'd be fighting for our right to keep and bear arms and the way state's try to pass laws to evade this right.

You accuse me of playing defense lawyer but lawyers are actively involved in eroding our rights. If you had any idea the legal lobby going on by insurance companies, I dare say you might temper some of your statements. So if you want to talk about "twisting" laws talk to those guys and don't bother with your accusations to your "friends." Your one statement, "Never mind common courtesy," pretty much speaks for itself, I won't dignify that with a response, I have too much courtesy.

You mentioned my "crazy" analogy. I was not using analogies. I was pointing out that our legislators can go overboard. You ask how I liked your analogy and mentioned smoking. I think it was a good analogy. My Dad died recently from smoking. BUT the analogy is bad. I don't know anyone dying from noise pollution. I'm sure you will enlighten me.

You ask several times if "I was getting this." "Yes" I got it loud and clear. Trouble is, I "get" you guys all the time. Thats what makes my job so "pleasant." Thats not an analogy thats satire.

In closing, I know I used to agree with you. But now I'm wondering why. Maybe I'm changing my mind. Thank you for helping me with that. Your persuasion is overwhelming.

Now looking for LOUDD pipes to cruise the Ozarks,
BigHarleyDude

RE: loud pipes save lives article

OzarkHarleyGuy — Thu, 21 Oct 2004 06:51:30 GMT

Somehow I get the feeling that ONLY you guys are right. Sounds like a political discussion.

BigHarleyDude

RE: loud pipes save lives article

hoopdc — Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:34:16 GMT

I'll tell you why. Because loud pipes are thought to be among other things, a juvenile approach to getting attention AND, and this is BIG, those pipes AFFECT OTHERS in a negative way.
And P-L-E-E-Z-E don't play defense lawyer ( ala johnnie Cochran , Shapiro, the dearly departed Kunstler, etc. ) and use the very laws that are designed to protect and serve us ( all of us ) by twisting them and twisting them some more to make a point that only serves as a disservice to the majority. Never mind common courtesy.
YES, their 'rights' are as important as mine BUT, and this is also BIG, NOT when their 'rights' AFFECT OTHERS. Is this sinking in yet ??
And please don't use these crazy anologies to make it seem like you are more intelligent, more tolerant, more civilized, etc.
I don't care if a smoker wants to smoke himself to death. I really don't. That's their 'right'. But they cannot and should not have the 'right' to smoke indoors because............. it AFFECTS OTHERS. Sinking in yet ?? How do you like my analogy ?

Loud pipes in public ?? No. Because it AFFECTS OTHERS. ( hope you're getting this )
Turn your stereo ALL THE WAY UP in your home ?? Great !! In PUBLIC ? Of course not !! Know why ?? Because it AFFECTS OTHERS. Are you getting this yet ??
And just to be clear, I am not talking about pipes that make a nice rumble. We're talking these ridiculous pipes that pi** people off. No, I don't know EXACTLY where to draw the line, but you know what we're talking about in this thread.

RE: loud pipes save lives article

OzarkHarleyGuy — Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:59:19 GMT

Torqueman is right you aren't gonna convince anyone. Everyone's mind is made up.

I'm concerned about the loss of freedom and legislation:

How loud is too loud? Lets legislate it. Also, you must wear a helmet. Not an open face its too dangerous. Better yet lets restrict horsepower. And why would you need more than 750cc? No wait, less than 500 cc would be better. But better yet, lets restrict motorcycles from gated communities. Then lets just legislate that cycles aren't acceptable, because everyone is now driving fuel efficient hybrids. Motorcycles emit too many emissions and the hybrids by that time will be getting better gas mileage.

You think I'm being funny??!! Where does it end?? Why does your view matter more than the tree huggers?? Why do you think you are right?? THINK ! The freedom you restrict today may be the right you lose tomorrow. I'd fight for your right to disagree with me. Would you do the same for me? If not, why not?

BigHarleyDude

RE: loud pipes save lives article

torqueman — Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:36:25 GMT

I doubt we will see an article about loud pipes. Like others have said you are not going to convince anyone on either side to change their opinions. Besides Fred has to let the controversy over the OCC comments die down some first.

Torqueman
Goldwing 03

RE: loud pipes save lives article

drummer — Wed, 20 Oct 2004 08:28:47 GMT

Loud Pipes - I remember that there was an article or a letter in MC News from a person that said, "the people that like loud pipes are appealing to an inner audience." So it seems to me that they are much like the teenager that has to have the music very loud. So loud that it bounces off of the building two blocks away. Those drivers they have an alterior motive of attracting attention.(I imagine)

People with loud pipes believe that some how some one will be really impressed. In much the same way like their own inner voice is impressed. This is just my take on the matter from after reading the above quoted comment. I don't know for certain as I like to ride for the ride itself not to impress others.

I don't mean to make anyone mad on this thread, just adding my voice to the choir.

The "Z" MAN
BMW R1100R
Honda Shadow Spirit

RE: loud pipes save lives article

deadman — Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:05:27 GMT

quote:
Originally posted by jerseyjim

Loud pipe do nothing but get people p-i-s-s-e-d- off.
Besides all the noise is BEHIND the bike.

Most of all, it's just for noise. It' not really the best thing for the motor, either.
Gotta have back pressure.

Yup, shovels and earlier needed all the help they could get getting air through those heads, but modern(evo+) heads flow so good to start with, open pipes do more harm than good by far.

Boycott Sturgis!
deadman out

RE: loud pipes save lives article

tjshelton — Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:32:02 GMT

I know that MCN has run an article on aftermarket pipes, which basically showed an overall loss of power with them.

Also, recent (and not so recent) studies have shown that modified bikes are more likely to be involved in accidents.

I would love to see the information and stats boiled down into an understandable (for the layman) article and think that MCN is just the place for it.

Tom Shelton
GWRRA/AMA/HRCA
2002 Honda GL1800 Goldwing
SUPPORT Ride for Kids
www.ride4kids.org

A good friend will come and bail you out of jail...but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Dang...that was fun!"

RE: loud pipes save lives article

hoopdc — Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:11:16 GMT

To PJD and Jerseyjim, AMEN !!!!! ........and about not changing their minds ?? You're right. The sad facts are that some jerks just never grow up. All the noise the pipes make IS BEHIND them. Imagine riding with that even for a short time ?? Once again, I could care less what noise they want to hear if it didn't AFFECT OTHERS. Of course !! But, they're jerks and they don't care. Sad.

RE: loud pipes save lives article

PJD — Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:07:27 GMT

quote:
are these people just looking for their 15 minutes of fame, 7 seconds at a time?

In a word yes. But you'll never convince them of that. Just like you'll never convince some that think helmets do more harm than good. They're inconvincable.
My $0.02

PJ
AMA/American Legion Riders/GWRRA
'97 Suzuki 1400 Intruder
'98 Honda VF750 Magna

RE: loud pipes save lives article

jerseyjim — Sun, 17 Oct 2004 16:58:28 GMT

Loud pipe do nothing but get people p-i-s-s-e-d- off.
Besides all the noise is BEHIND the bike.

Most of all, it's just for noise. It' not really the best thing for the motor, either.
Gotta have back pressure.

loud pipes save lives article

justarider — Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:28:03 GMT

This message is to the forum moderators. I think that a good article for one of your upcoming issues would be the loud pipes save lives thing. Looking at this forum it has 5 pages of responses which ranks this topic way up there in interest. I would love to hear what MCN has to officially say about this very touchy subject. Is this a real safety feature or are these people just looking for their 15 minutes of fame, 7 seconds at a time?
Love to hear from ya Fred.

Ride till it falls off.